Re: Help. Need a stat

From: Ron Roizen (Ron@Roizen.com)
Date: Wed Jan 26 2000 - 18:58:14 EST

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    Listmates:

    I've long been bemused and puzzled by these "concentration of consumption"
    statistics.

    They've been around for a long time, but what rhetorical end do they
    actually serve?

    The notion of high concentration seems to have emerged as the "new public
    health approach"
    to alcohol gained ground -- i.e., in the 1970s and 1980s. This new
    direction for alcohol thought and
    policy focused more attention on environmental controls, reducing aggregate
    consumption, and (perhaps most importantly) transforming alcohol per se
    from an essentially benign benign substance (the alcoholism paradigm's
    view) to "a drug," just like illicit drugs or tobacco.

    But, and of course, the more the concentration of consumption bunched in a
    smaller and smaller fraction of the population, the more (and ironically)
    one could argue that perhaps the waning alcoholism paradigm afforded a
    better picture of what was going on. After all, a few very heavy consumers
    were sopping up an awful lot of the alcohol.

    One of the interesting -- and non-intuitive -- corollaries of the
    concentration-of-consumption assertion MAY BE that we live in a quite DRY
    or MODERATION-PRONE society. After all, if 75% to 90% to 95% (whatever
    figure is used) are consuming less than half or even a smaller fraction of
    total alcohol consumed, then moderation (or abstinence) characterizes a lot
    of the population.

    One of the first things one should ask upon hearing such statistics is:
    "Well, how much consumption (quantity-frequency, total volume, or whatever
    measure is in use) did it take to qualify for the heavy drinking group at
    the high end of the dichotomy?" That drinking level may be rather lower
    than one expected. And in that case, too, the concentration of consumption
    statistic ends up (ironically) suggesting how temperate population drinking
    practices may be.

    A final question: Does it bother anybody else on this list that posters
    would find it UNembarrassing FIRST to focus on a statistic that they
    desire, and THEN to seek and ask for the source or authority for that
    statistic? To my jaded ear, at least, that sounds like someone interested
    in "advertising" more than "teaching" -- something more akin to than
    different from the unfortunate use of the term "binge" in so many
    college-preventionist pronouncements.

    Roizen

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    From: Dawn Haney <haneydaw@ARCHES.UGA.EDU>
    To: DRUGHIED@LISTSERV.TAMU.EDU
    Subject: Re: Help. Need a stat
    Date: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 3:06 PM

    If you need a national statistic, the Harvard College Alcohol Study
    reports that 2/3=1/5 (19% of the students drink 68% of the alcohol) in:

    Wechsler, H., Molnar, B.E., Davenport, A.E., & Baer, J.S. (1999). College
    alcohol use: A full or empty glass? <underline>Journal of American
    College Health, 47,</underline> 247-252.

    dawn

    At 01:22 PM 1/26/00 -0600, you wrote:

    >Perkins' 3/4=1/3 is specific to Hobart William Smith - see his
    excellent

    >web page @ www.hws.edu/aca/depts/alcohol/

    >

    >While the exact percentages vary slightly, our stats are about the
    same

    >(e.g. instead of say 78%, 74% - both are considered 3/4). The numbers
    can

    >be calculated from the CORE question re: average number of
    drinks/week.

    >

    >Kevin

    >

    >At 12:56 PM 1/25/00 -0600, you wrote:

    >>Where does the stat come from? Is it national or specific to a
    particular

    >>school.

    >>

    >>-----Original Message-----

    >>From: Kevin Stewart [mailto:wkstewart@SEMOVM.SEMO.EDU]

    >>Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 9:10 AM

    >>To: DRUGHIED@listserv.tamu.edu

    >>Subject: Re: Help. Need a stat

    >>

    >>

    >>2/3 = 1/4 is what Wes Perkins uses; we use 3/4 = 1/3 (they are both

    >>interestingly accurate). Three fourths of students drink only
    one-third

    >>of the total number of alcoholic drinks consumed by students in an
    average

    >>week at _____. Clearly, turning it around, only one-fourth of the
    students

    >>consume two -thirds of all the alcohol.

    >>

    >>At 08:37 AM 1/25/00 -0500, you wrote:

    >>>I know I have this information filed away somewhere, but I can't put
    my

    >>>finger on it. We know that there is a small proportion of students
    that

    >>>are consuming most of the alcohol...Does anyone know the numbers or

    >>>percentages of the ratio I am talking about?

    >>>

    >>>Thanks!

    >>>

    >>>-----------------------------------------------------------------

    >>>Gina Firth, MA, LPC, NCC

    >>>

    >>>Director

    >>>Office of Alcohol and Drug Education

    >>>University of Notre Dame

    >>>Notre Dame, IN 46556

    >>>phone: (219) 631-7970

    >>>fax: (219) 631-4299

    >>>

    >>Gotta make it somehow on the the dreams you still believe.

    >>Don't give it up, you got an empty cup only love can fill,

    >>

    >>

    >>Kevin Stewart

    >>Coordinator,Substance Abuse Prevention & Education

    >>Southeast Missouri State University

    >>1 University Plaza, MS 1500

    >>Cape Girardeau, MO 63701

    >>573.651.2264

    >>Fax: 573.651.2893

    >>

    >Gotta make it somehow on the the dreams you still believe.

    >Don't give it up, you got an empty cup only love can fill,

    >

    >

    >Kevin Stewart

    >Coordinator,Substance Abuse Prevention & Education

    >Southeast Missouri State University

    >1 University Plaza, MS 1500

    >Cape Girardeau, MO 63701

    >573.651.2264

    >Fax: 573.651.2893

    >



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